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Additional Grammar Topics

As the title implies, this is just a short list of things I think are worth listing or explaining, but don't really fit in anywhere else. At the moment it's extremely short, so there's almost certainly something obvious I've forgotten to include, on top of the fact that I don't know very much about non-Kantou dialects yet (though as of v2.3 my kogo knowledge is decent).

Phrasal Verbs
Formal Verbs
Persistent ๅค่ชž kogo
Dialects
้–ข่ฅฟๅผ Kansai-ben or ๅคง้˜ชๅผ Osaka-ben

Phrasal Verbs

There are very, very few phrasal verbs in Japanese, so what follows is probably close to a comprehensive list.

ใŒใ™ใ‚‹ to detect/sense, to hear something
ใซใ™ใ‚‹ to make into _, to make it the case that _, to decide on doing _
[-i form or ไบ‹ koto] ใซใ™ใ‚‹ to decide to _, to go with/plan on _ing
ใซใชใ‚‹ to become (there is no ใ‚’ใชใ‚‹)
[apparent form] ใซใชใ‚‹ to almost do, to become likely that
ใจใ™ใ‚‹ to (hypothetically) assume, if _ were the case
[volitional form] ใจใ™ใ‚‹ to try to do
ใซๆฑบใพใ‚‹ to be obvious that, to decide that
ใจ้•ใ† to be different from
ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ to be _, to be the case that _

Formal Words

Several Japanese words have a very specific formal (and longer) synonym, as shown below. For some reason, most of the โ€œruโ€ verbs below have an irregular -i form ending in โ€œiโ€ not โ€œri,โ€ which even doubles as a soft command. So, expect to see a fair amount of ใ‚‰ใฃใ—ใ‚ƒใ„, ไธ‹ใ•ใ„ and the like.

Normal Verb Formal Equivalent
่จ€ใ† (ใ„ใ†) ็”ณใ™ (ใ‚‚ใ†ใ™) or ไปฐใ‚‹ (ใŠใฃใ—ใ‚ƒใ‚‹)
ใ‹ ใ‹ใ—ใ‚‰
ใใ‚Œใ‚‹ ไธ‹ใ•ใ‚‹ (ใใ ใ•ใ‚‹)
ใ‚ใ‚‹ ใ”ใ–ใ‚‹
ใชใ‚‹ ใชใ•ใ‚‹
ใงใ™ ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™
ใ„ใ‚‹ ใ„ใฃใ‚‰ใฃใ—ใ‚ƒใ‚‹
ใ€œi ใพใ™ ใ€œi ใ‚‰ใฃใ—ใ‚ƒใ‚‹
่กŒใ (ใ„ใ) ๅ‚ใ‚‹ (ใพใ„ใ‚‹)
ใ€œte ใ‚ใ‚‹ ใ€œte ใŠใ‚‹
ไฝ•ๆ•… (ใชใœ) ไฝ•ๆ•… (ใชใซใ‚†ใˆ)
ใ€œte ใฟใฆ ใ€œte ใ”ใ‚‰ใ‚“
ใฉใ†ใ‹ ไฝ•ๅ’ (ใชใซใจใž)
ใ€œte ใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใ† ใ€œte ใ„ใŸใ ใ
ใ“ใ„ใค, ใใ„ใค, ใ‚ใ„ใค, ใฉใ„ใค ใ“ใฎๆ–น (ใ‹ใŸ), ใใฎๆ–น, ใ‚ใฎๆ–น, ใฉใฎๆ–น
ใ“ใชใŸ, ใใชใŸ, ใ‚ใชใŸ, ใฉใชใŸ

Persistent ๅค่ชž kogo

ๅค่ชž kogo is a general term for old forms of Japanese, in contrast with modern Japanese. As of version v2.2, there's a supplemental page all about it since, like many other languages, learning a little about old Japanese helps with understanding modern Japanese. This is partly because it helps explain a lot of the modern language's quirks, but also because most native speakers know a few things about old Japanese and are thus prone to using them even in otherwise modern Japanese. The goal here is to list those things, so you can avoid getting thrown off by them even if you don't care about learning old Japanese.

Before I can simply list all the bits worth knowing, there is one grammar detail that needs explaining. In old Japanese, instead of a single infinitive/nonpast form, there was a separate "predicative form" for verbs/adjectives meant to end a sentence, and an "attributive form" for verbs/adjectives at the end of a clause/phrase meant to describe a noun. The predicative form is the default/infinitive/dictionary form.

Dialects

Unfortunately, I am not very knowledgeable about dialects. But I can list several things distinctive of Kansai-ben which, I feel, is enough to make the vast majority of lines in that dialect comprehensible. I'll expand this if I ever I get the chance to study dialects properly.

For the record, the ้–ขๆฑๅผ Kantou Dialect or ๆฑไบฌๅผ Tokyo Dialect is the one I've been teaching you.

้–ข่ฅฟๅผ Kansai Dialect or ๅคง้˜ชๅผ Osaka Dialect

That should be enough to make sense out of any random Kansai you come across. There are of course dozens of other minor differences, but the ones listed above are among the most likely to throw you off or genuinely confuse you since they involve forms/particles/words you would never see otherwise.

The thickest, frequently-occuring Kansai dialect I've personally encountered in manga/anime/etc is that of Sket Dance's main heroine Himeko, so I would read some of that if for some reason you really want to learn basic Kansai.